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    Promotion & Relegations

    League Two:

    2 games left and between 3 sides. Notts County, Macclesfield Town and Yeovil Town. Looking at fixtures, Yeovil arguably have the hardest run in.

    National League:

    The title is a 3 way battle between Orient, Salford and Solihull. Orient face already relegated Braintree at home and have a much better GD, so it's theres to lose really. The play offs will be between 2 of the 3 sides mentioned, Fylde, Wrexham, Harrogate and Eastleigh. All 4 sides relegated were southern - Maidstone, Braintree, Havant and Aldershot

    National League North:

    Stockport "should" finally get out of this league, they are a point clear and face the worst team in the divison in Nuneaton. It'll be like a home game as Stockport are taking 3000 there. The play offs will be between Stockport (if they fail),m Chorley (if Stockport go up), Brackley, Spennymoor, Altrincham and then 2 out of Blyth, BPA and Telford. relegation spots are decided - Nuneaton, Ashton and FCUM all down.

    National League South:

    Torquay champions. Concord unable to take part in the play offs and controversially no other side is allowed to take their place. So play offs will be between Woking, Welling, Chelmsford, Bath and one out of Billericay, St Albans, Dartford and Wealdstone. East Thurrock and WSM both down, final spot between Truro and Hungerford. Hungerford have Thurrock so you'd imagine it's relegation for Truro.

    Southern Premier South:

    Weymouth win they are up, but Taunton are hot on their heels and just a point behind. Play offs will be between 1 of those 2, Salisbury, Met Police and ether Poole or Kings Langley. Frome and Staines are both down, last spot is between 6 clubs! Walton, Gosport, Basingstoke, Tiverton and Wimborne.

    Southern Premier Central:

    Kettering are champions, although there appears to be some concern with their stadium...Play offs will be Stourbridge, Kings Lynn, Alvechurch and Stratford. Bedworth, Halesowen and St Neots all down.

    Northern Premier:

    Farsley just need a point and they are promoted. Play offs will be either them (if they dont get that) or South Shields, Warrington, Nantwich and 1 out of Buxton and Gainsborough. Workington are already relegated. With Ferriby gone, there's only 1 other relegation spot left which is between Mickleover, Stalybridge and Marine.

    Bostik Premier:

    Dorking are champions. Play offs are Haringey, Tonbridge and 2 out of Carshalton, Stortford, Mertsham, Folkestone and Worthing. Harlow are down, then its 2 from Burgess Hill, Wingate and our old friends Whitehawk. Whitehawk have to win against Corinthian Casuals or are down...

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    Thanks DJP. Great summary -personally I feel sorry for Concord especially after their 3 point deduction. https://twitter.com/ConcordRangers/s...7Ctwgr%5Etweet That's quite a measured response but the affair doesn't show the administrators in a very good light if Concord are right in their suggestion that the current rules on seating requirements are conflicting.
    Meanwhile as Darran has posted elsewhere there is a small chance that Bishops Stortford could progress from plays offs thus providing another potentially Nat League North candidate.
    Last edited by CityGull; 26-04-19 at 03:23 PM.

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    Just glad we are not mentioned in that synopsis after this season. This forum was turning into a bear pit less than two weeks ago

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    I don't feel sorry for Concord at all. The chairman has spent plenty on the squad over the season and he couldn't be bothered to add some seats to make sure the ground was up to scratch. They have been in the play-off positions for most of the season and were 2nd at one stage I think so its not like it has been a shock. The rule for no team to be added came after what happened with Wealdstone, Poole and Hungerford a couple of years ago when all 3 couldn't play in the play-offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darran View Post
    I don't feel sorry for Concord at all. The chairman has spent plenty on the squad over the season and he couldn't be bothered to add some seats to make sure the ground was up to scratch. They have been in the play-off positions for most of the season and were 2nd at one stage I think so its not like it has been a shock. The rule for no team to be added came after what happened with Wealdstone, Poole and Hungerford a couple of years ago when all 3 couldn't play in the play-offs.
    Darran
    Can I explain further to your post.

    The rule on 500 seats has been in years and far longer than the 5 years Concord have been in NL South.
    From the time Play Offs came into being, 2-5 at the end of the season would compete in Play Offs IF they met all grading requirements. It has always been 250 seats minimum under cover for B Grade but for possible promotion you have to have a minimum of 500 seats under cover. I could tell you exactly how many seats every member club has. Concord have 265. Evesham 300.

    In 2016/17 four clubs didnĀ’t and at that time the Rules allowed any ineligibility to be covered by the next placed club up to 8th place only. Known colloquially as the 8th placed club rule when clubs talked about it.

    In 2017/18 the Play Offs were adjusted to give the higher placed clubs greater recognition by removing two legged matches and introducing one off matches, thus giving home advantage to the highest positioned club. So 2nd and 3rd not only got home advantage but one game less, going straight to semi final stages.
    It proved last season to be a great success.

    However to ensure the integrity of the Play Offs the 8th placed rile was removed and any ineligibility would see the Board readjusting the format to cover such deficiency. In addition to back this up the Clubs added a new rule that those clubs who constantly threaten the process by failing to improve the standards set by the clubs, if they did not meet 500 seat grading in three years then they face relegation.
    If they fail all other normal grading regulations it is automatic relegation after one season.

    As stated on the other thread, six clubs were non compliant at the start of this season. So the first of those three seasons has expired. Having said that Ashton United are relegated, so that is down to five, Hungerford may still go and Gloucester looking to move back and if plans met they will have 750 seats I believe. Leamington and Chippenham have approved plans in place but have not activated any work because they were unlikely to reach Play Off qualification. All six clubs including Gloucester are monitored on a regular basis. Nick Meeks and Rod Jenner (Chris Gage) have been fully aware. Even before them in place Mike Dunstan was aware of rules because they donĀ’t just happen overnight.

    The statement on Concords Twitter graphic is misleading and not truthful. There is no two year allowance on 500 covered seats and certainly no conflict with Play Off regulations.

    And by the way Wealdstone’s issue was not the same as Poole, Hungerford and Darlington. They appealed solely to try and take up the then position lost by Poole and Hungerford, stating whilst they didn’t have the seats by 31st March they had now built a stand. So the FA rightly refused their appeal. The compliance in all cases had to be met by the 31st March. It is also the basis why the rules were enforced with the threat of relegation if clubs just ignored what every other club had/has to do. Concord also voted for the rules and reaffirmed the old ones at last years AGM.

    Hope this explains more.
    Last edited by Brandman; 27-04-19 at 07:33 AM. Reason: Typos

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    In the North Chorley replaced Darlington.

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    Gateshead and Ebbsfleet taking voluntary relegation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandman View Post
    Darran
    Can I explain further to your post.

    The rule on 500 seats has been in years and far longer than the 5 years Concord have been in NL South.
    From the time Play Offs came into being, 2-5 at the end of the season would compete in Play Offs IF they met all grading requirements. It has always been 250 seats minimum under cover for B Grade but for possible promotion you have to have a minimum of 500 seats under cover. I could tell you exactly how many seats every member club has. Concord have 265. Evesham 300.

    In 2016/17 four clubs didnĀ’t and at that time the Rules allowed any ineligibility to be covered by the next placed club up to 8th place only. Known colloquially as the 8th placed club rule when clubs talked about it.

    In 2017/18 the Play Offs were adjusted to give the higher placed clubs greater recognition by removing two legged matches and introducing one off matches, thus giving home advantage to the highest positioned club. So 2nd and 3rd not only got home advantage but one game less, going straight to semi final stages.
    It proved last season to be a great success.

    However to ensure the integrity of the Play Offs the 8th placed rile was removed and any ineligibility would see the Board readjusting the format to cover such deficiency. In addition to back this up the Clubs added a new rule that those clubs who constantly threaten the process by failing to improve the standards set by the clubs, if they did not meet 500 seat grading in three years then they face relegation.
    If they fail all other normal grading regulations it is automatic relegation after one season.

    As stated on the other thread, six clubs were non compliant at the start of this season. So the first of those three seasons has expired. Having said that Ashton United are relegated, so that is down to five, Hungerford may still go and Gloucester looking to move back and if plans met they will have 750 seats I believe. Leamington and Chippenham have approved plans in place but have not activated any work because they were unlikely to reach Play Off qualification. All six clubs including Gloucester are monitored on a regular basis. Nick Meeks and Rod Jenner (Chris Gage) have been fully aware. Even before them in place Mike Dunstan was aware of rules because they donĀ’t just happen overnight.

    The statement on Concords Twitter graphic is misleading and not truthful. There is no two year allowance on 500 covered seats and certainly no conflict with Play Off regulations.

    And by the way Wealdstone’s issue was not the same as Poole, Hungerford and Darlington. They appealed solely to try and take up the then position lost by Poole and Hungerford, stating whilst they didn’t have the seats by 31st March they had now built a stand. So the FA rightly refused their appeal. The compliance in all cases had to be met by the 31st March. It is also the basis why the rules were enforced with the threat of relegation if clubs just ignored what every other club had/has to do. Concord also voted for the rules and reaffirmed the old ones at last years AGM.

    Hope this explains more.
    Cheers Colin thanks for that clears everything up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Gateshead and Ebbsfleet taking voluntary relegation?
    Always these sort of rumours when the season ends. Potential reprieve for Aldershot and Braintree if this did happen and could also impact north/south for us but not worth thinking about at this stage

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    Leyton Orient champions of the National League. Stockport finally are up after they won the National North.

    Farsley Celtic won the Evo North and Weymouth won the Southern Prem.

    The Play offs below us will produce just two promotions from across four divisons. Each regional league winner plays each other in a promotion final;

    Central:

    Kings Lynn v Stratford
    Stourbridge v Alvechurch

    Winner of each then plays each other. Then the winner of that has to play the winner of...

    Northern:

    South Shields v Buxton
    Warrington v Nantwich


    Then it's the South's turn, Southern Prem:

    Taunton v Poole
    Met Police v Salisbury

    Winner of that SLP final then plays the winner of the play offs below;

    Isthmian:

    Carshalton v Merstham
    Haringey v Tonbridge

    Bishops Stortford lost to Carshalton so failed to make the play offs.

    Also Whitehawk suffered their second successive relegation. What a shame

    Yeovil were the first team to be relegated from the league.
    Last edited by Dom Joly's Publicist; 29-04-19 at 09:19 AM.

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